Rock Talk
Rock Talk is the official podcast of Rockhurst High School in Kansas City, Missouri — where we explore the voices, values, and vibrant life of our Jesuit, college-prep community. Hosted by the Admissions and Marketing team, each episode features conversations with students, faculty, alumni, and special guests as we share stories of academic excellence, faith formation, brotherhood, and service. Whether you're a prospective family, a proud alumnus, or simply curious about what makes Rockhurst unique — this is your inside look at life at The Rock.
Rock Talk
A Legacy of Giving: Why Parent Involvement Shapes Young Men
What if a few hours of your time could unlock a scholarship, spark a student’s purpose, and strengthen a community for years? We invited two Parents Club leaders, Lyndy Volker and Julie Walker Browne, to share how Rockhurst’s culture of service comes alive through everyday actions—greeting at the hospitality desk, baking for faculty, making auction calls, and pitching in on setup or cleanup. Their stories reveal a powerful truth: when parents show up, boys notice. They learn generosity by watching it, then practice it through dress-down fundraisers, service trips, and other giving opportunities in the community.
We dig into the Spectacular auction and why it matters: it helps fuel Rockhurst’s ability to meet 100% of demonstrated financial need. That commitment turns small volunteer jobs into big outcomes, keeping doors open for families across Kansas City and ensuring talented students can thrive. You’ll hear practical ways to get involved right now—short shifts, evening slots, and behind-the-scenes roles that fit real life. We also highlight opportunities to share professional skills through the career speaker series, marketing projects, and targeted support for counseling, activities, and athletics.
This conversation is ultimately about growth and belonging. Parents describe the pride of watching their sons carry the school’s values into college and beyond, and the comfort of a network that lasts long after graduation. If you’ve wondered whether your time, talent, or treasure would truly matter at Rockhurst, consider this your invitation. Subscribe for more stories from our Jesuit community, share this episode with a fellow parent, and leave a review to help others find Rock Talk. Your next yes could change a student’s path.
Welcome to Rock Talk, the official podcast of Rockhurst High School in Kansas City, Missouri, where we explore the voices, values, and vibrant life of our Jesuit college prep community. Hosted by the admissions and marketing team, each episode features conversations with students, faculty, alumni, and special guests as we share stories of academic excellence, faith formation, brotherhood, and service. Whether you're a prospective family, a proud alumnus, or simply curious about what makes Rockhurst unique, this is your inside look at Life at the Rock.
SPEAKER_00:Good morning, everybody. We are excited today to welcome one of our very involved and active parents to talk to us a little bit more on the ideas of giving community and kind of a legacy and tradition that is Rockhurst. So today with us, we have Lindy Volcker. She is the proud parent of two hocklets, one former, one current, and one future Hocklet. So actually three hocklets, hopefully, all together. So Lindley, why don't you just introduce yourself a little bit, talk about what you're involved in, and a little bit more about your boys?
SPEAKER_03:Well, thank you so much for having me today. Excited to be here again. I am Lindy Volcker and I am the current Parents Club president. I am also the lead for solicitors for the Rockhurst Spectacular Auction. And so involved in many different ways at Rockhurst. I have again William, who graduated the class of 25. I have Samuel, who is the class of 27, and Edward will be here next year. He'll be the class of 2030. So excited. We we've loved being here and we love being involved and blessed to have three boys. So I've gotten to be here. Some some only are one and done, and I always hear that. So it's kind of fun to be able to see our three different boys grow in different ways here at The Rock.
SPEAKER_02:Cool. So tell me, Lindy, where is your the who graduated last year again?
SPEAKER_03:William.
SPEAKER_02:Where's William at now?
SPEAKER_03:William is at the University of Kansas. Okay. Yes.
SPEAKER_02:I won't hold that against you. I'm a tiger. I gotta, but I won't hold it against you. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:That's okay. It's okay. Yes. And he is thriving. Like my husband and I see him getting so involved and using the gifts that he uh received at Rockhurst, and he really is. He's doing great. And so we are excited to see all he is doing and becoming a great young man.
SPEAKER_02:Cool, cool, cool. Is your uh 27? Is he thinking about college yet or where is he at?
SPEAKER_03:He is uh we're I don't know where he's gonna go. He is as a different brain than than Williams, so we don't know where he's gonna go. He could end up at KU. He I don't know, he's throwing out some different schools, some engineering schools. So we're gonna see what where he's gonna go. Not really sure yet, but yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I was and I'm asking because I'm trying to sneak in a little bit of uh parent wisdom because I have three daughters. Yes. And so when I look at my three girls, you know, my oldest is 15, 14, and then the second one's 14, and then my youngest is 11. And I'm just like, oh yeah. They're they're similar, but they're different. And currently they all claim they want to go far away from home. And I'm terrified. So if I reach out to you for some parent wisdom, please uh please answer the call.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, when in doubt, they're brothers, so they like to be together, but then they don't like to be together. So, you know, you never know, actually. I I I could see them, I don't know. They could maybe stick together, which I'd be great with too. So either way. Love it. Yes.
SPEAKER_00:So I I got to know Will well through some service trips that we went on, and then also he and Henry Stevens, so they'll be thrilled that we're calling, doing a little shout-out for them. Were frequent visitors to my office for one of my, I would say, treasures that I give out to the Rockers Boys, which is candy. They typically only come by to say a quick hi. And sometimes they'll fill me in on what's new and exciting, but mostly just to grab that, you know, little piece of sugar to get them through the day. And so when thinking about that, one of the things we're talking about in this series is kind of how we give back is that time, talent, treasure. I know you've kind of been involved in all different areas of that. So I just to go a little bit more in depth and maybe to help people to understand more, specifically, probably more around what you're doing for the auction, but also what you're doing for Parents Club, like what are some ways that parents can kind of give back to the rockers community?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I think there are so many ways to get involved. And I do think even if you just I would tell parents to select one thing, just to get involved, do one thing, and then that can lead to other options. There is with the auction, we are always needing people to go out and reach out to, as I say, we're I'm in the head of the solicitors. So we are always looking forward just to reaching out to different companies throughout the community to ask for donations. And that is a huge deal. So we are always looking for people to do that. And sometimes people are intimidated, but it really isn't. The Rocker's name is so respected in the community that it is not a hard ask. Usually you make that call and they're already ready to give. So we're always looking for people in that regards, the auction, especially also to set up to the days before the auction, the day of the auction, the cleanup. It's when you're here, you get to meet so many people, not only the students, but other families and the connections you make. So I just always encourage them, just do something small. And then that leads to greater things. With the Parents Club, we just have so many activities that we put on, and we are always looking for volunteers. The father-son bags tournament that just occurred. It it was it's so fun to see uh the the dads, the sons, the the community come together. So I I love seeing these events, and I really think everybody should try to get involved and volunteer in at least an event just to see what what goes on in the in the doors here. So besides that, there's also like mom son prom. There's, you know, and even if it's not like a big event, right? It's the cookie exchange, the cookies for the faculty and staff. I love that. You haven't experienced that yet. It is just wonderful. And even just taking the time, bake some cookies and bring them in. You know, there's things, not everything has to be large to volunteer. And I think that's what we want to encourage. But I think those who get involved see this world, and I don't know, we want to be involved with our kids and the faculty and everyone in the communities.
SPEAKER_00:We're super fortunate to be, I guess, people that received that help. Yesterday was our annual open house, and we probably had 15 parents come through to help with check-in, greeting uh prospective families, sitting at the Parents Club table to kind of tell parents about opportunities to get involved. And I think as a prospective parent, there's no better endorsement than when you see the students volunteering and the parents in the community volunteering because it just says we're invested in this community and we want you to be a part of this community. So we're very thankful for all that the Parents Club does for us for sure.
SPEAKER_02:And Lindy, as a as a rookie in this thing and just curious, because every, you know, that's the one thing I enjoy about doing this podcast is getting to talk to so many different folks and see how they're involved and get their perspective, not just on Rockhurst, but just what they're seeing. So as the Parents Club president, do you guys have like a certain number of events you try to do every year? Or do you like sit down and just plan it year to year what you what you can do? How does that work?
SPEAKER_03:No, we have our main events that we do every year. We also are big into supporting the faculty. So each class has representatives. And every month it it alternates between you know freshman through senior. Each class takes two months to do something for the faculty. Oh, okay. And they plan those events as well. So I think that we do have our basic main events like the open houses, the night at the rocks, the father-son bags. We have the grandparents' mask, just things of that that are all have been going on for years. Not the saying that we can't, you know, do something different. We're always, that's what I think is is great and welcoming that we would love new opinions, new thoughts. You know, it's like you, I think you have to evolve, you have to grow. So if there's ever, oh hey, have we we could try something new. So we're always open to new things, but we usually have the same events that are just so special, so well attended. So we we stick with those, but always willing to, you know, that's cool. Look for new new things.
SPEAKER_02:And I love I love it. You know, like I I let me pause and say thank you because it's just cool to even know that you know, parents are that involved in the first place. You know, it's very easy at I I would say a typical school, maybe to just drop the kids off, I'll be back to pick them up or they'll drive home. But you know, it's nothing to see parents everywhere at Rockhurst and to know that that you know, there's some organization and there's some thought, and we do have these traditional year-in, year-out events that are so meaningful in our community. And I appreciate that. So I just love it.
SPEAKER_03:So, like the mom-son prom, it's such an incredible event to see all these mothers and fill these halls and like Union Station. It it's remarkable.
SPEAKER_02:Is it at Union Station now?
SPEAKER_03:It it has been the past few years, yes. And it's just it is an incredible. I remember mine.
SPEAKER_02:Is it the mom prom? Yeah, mom. I remember when I went and I took my aunt, grandma, and my mom. And we had a we had a ball. It was over in Overland Park Convention Center, I think.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it's changed a few times, and you know, but so things like that, it's amazing to see, truly.
SPEAKER_00:Great. So we just had Julie Walker Brown join us. We're excited to have her as well. She's the parent of a former Hawk and a current Hawklet. So, Julie, real quick, do you mind just introducing yourself, how you're involved at Rockers, and tell us a little bit about your boys?
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Hello. My name is Julie, and I am a mom of Jack, who's a sophomore and Joe who just graduated and is at Mizzou. And then I also tigers. And Jack would say that too. And then we have a daughter that's a junior at at CU in Colorado. I'm involved at Rockhurst on the spectacular co-chair. That was not a good sentence. I am a spectacular co-chair. There you go. I also volunteer once a month at the desk, and then wherever I'm needed throughout the year when I can give time or chocolate or food, I do that as well.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and that's one thing. We were just kind of talking, that's a perfect segue about kind of all these hidden moments that where parents give back that maybe people in our community don't even know. I mean, the hospitality desk is probably one of our most visual representation of parent volunteers. If not that, then spectacular, clearly, because there's a lot of parents that are involved in that. But I would say, like those little things that you were talking about, uh, the kind of monthly things that our different class parents do for us, like as a faculty member, something as simple as golden scoop ice cream, or the what one of my favorite things is the favorite things basket that they do at Christmas time. I mean, there's just so many things. There's been countless times where I've forgotten to eat lunch and I run into the studio and grab some chet trail mix that a parents dropped off. So all of those little things I think make a huge difference because as we talk about community and giving back, I think one thing that's so vital is people feeling appreciated. And I think that that's what the Parents Club really does for our faculty and staff is say, okay, we see you. We appreciate all the work that you're doing, all the time you're putting into this. And that's a really nice thing. But now that we got Julie, I know Spectacular is coming up in April. Yes. Um, and it is a very important event for this community. Our scholarship fund is a direct recipient of the some of the funds that come from Spectacular. And for those of you who are not familiar with that impact, over the last two years, President Laughlin and our alumni community and greater community have really worked very hard for us to get to the point now where we can guarantee 100% of exhibited financial need. So what that means is we're able to give scholarships to young men in the Kansas D community where we can say, okay, if your family needs this amount, we can guarantee that amount, which we are one of few schools that can give 100%. And that's about$3.1 million, I think, this coming year in financial aid and scholarships. So spectacular is a huge part of that and takes a lot of workers. So I know Lynn Lindy talked a little bit about kind of the solicitation side. So going out to businesses, asking for donations, which I agree with you seems very intimidating, but most people are super willing to help. So don't be afraid of doing that. What are some other areas that parents can volunteer for Spectacular?
SPEAKER_01:Sure. So throughout the year, I was going to speak to that too, is the the great thing about Rockhurst, I think, is the connections that these boys make and alums have made through the years. And there are so many people in Kansas City that obviously are aware of Rockhurst, but also were a part of it in some fashion and are willing to give. So I do think a lot of parents could reach out to those that they know. As far as the auction throughout the year we get uh many emails asking for help. Included in those are setup or putting together flowers the couple nights before. Cleanup, working the bar. And if you're a good bartender, maybe even wanting to run the bar, call me.
SPEAKER_02:I'm there. All right.
SPEAKER_01:There are so many ways that that parents can get involved at the auction that that doesn't include going to the auction. I mean, of course, that's a great thing to do too, but we have many needs during the auction itself and the day after the auction. So there are many ways to get involved. And I think it's it's important back to what you had said about 100% demonstrated need. You know, when I when I see the boys when I'm working that desk coming in and they're so polite, so gracious, they thank you. I see I see what Rockhurst does for all the kids. And I I want as many kids that want to go here to be able to go here because it's a great great spot to be for these boys.
SPEAKER_00:Absolutely. And having come off of chairing an auction last year at the grade school level, much smaller beans there, but it is kind of amazing to me that our auction office consists of two people. So Moira and Sylvia, who do an epic task of making sure that that goes off um smoothly and have a deep appreciation for the work that they do, but they wouldn't be able to do it without our parent volunteers. So if you've ever wanted to get involved at Rock or don't know how to, that is a great opportunity. And it works around a lot of different schedules. So depending on you work during the day, you can volunteer at night, it's a great opportunity to do that.
SPEAKER_02:So I am uh curious, excuse me, as we get to this next question, because you ladies obviously give a great deal of your time, and you obviously uh care a lot about this place. It's not hard to see that. So, what do you think is so important about giving back to the school? You know, like you guys have both have boys that have gone, and I know you guys, you ladies have sons here, but at the same time, like the way you are devoted to this, what's so important about having that level of giving in a community like this?
SPEAKER_01:Uh having taught myself, I taught high school and I also taught grade school. Having been on the other end as a teacher and and at times also doing staff work as well. I think it's important that we have people in these students' lives that support and love them and care for them. And I think when parents give their time, I'll start with time, they they get to know the people in their children's lives, be at the grade school level or the high school level. And I do think a lot of times once your child gets to high school, you kind of check out a little bit because it's time for them to take some more responsibility, be more independent. But I think that when you get involved as a parent and you give of your time, whatever time you can give, I know people are very busy. It shows not just the staff and the teachers that you care about about the school, but the kids get it too. They may not share it. But I do think that they appreciate maybe more so later in life, they appreciate those adults in their lives that cared about them and and gave back.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I agree. And I've told my children that I I don't feel like the world works without people who give of their time. You have talent, you have treasure, you have everything, but I do feel like it is it is vital for organizations and to g to give of your time to your communities, and especially when you have such respect for a community and they give so much through the to the community. I mean, Rockhurst's name is just so well respected, and I I think that's so important. And like you said, kids love to see their parents involved. And when they see involved, that makes them want to be an involved member of the community too. I mean, it I always see you have to lead by example, right? If you're if you're telling your child that they need to get involved, you know, you should be involved as well. I I think that's so important. And I think that's how how it works and how the community works, how watching, like you said, William had the opportunity to go to Guatemala, seeing other communities, it's a remarkable thing to do. So I I just think that's important.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. We have a current freshman right now that I he kind of makes me smile a lot because he's, I think, a good example of that acknowledgement of what people are giving him. He regularly comes in and visits us in the office and talks about how magical this place is. So that's what he always says. This is the best place on earth. This is a magical place. And he always says, What can I do? What can I do to give back? What what do you need? How can I help you? Can I help you with something? I mean, constantly. And I think that that is a sign that this example that's being set by adults, by students on campus are is, you know, really resonating with our students. And especially our students that are benefiting tremendously from the opportunity to be here. And so I think it's it's a great service you all are doing as setting an example for the young men to start thinking in that way, to start being a philanthropist when they're, you know, 15, 14 years old. Because we can be very selfish when we're teenagers. And so I think the idea that service is such a huge component of what we do that boys are aware of fundraising and what fundraising is. We do a lot. I I know you probably are familiar with some of this because I'm sure you've shuffled over$5 here and there for a dress-down bracelet. But right now we're in Respect Life Week. And so they have a dress-down bracelet for that. They have a dress-down bracelet for the Hispanic Heritage Fund scholarship program, which is a great opportunity because the money they contribute then is matched by the Hispanic Heritage Fund. And that goes towards college scholarships for our own students. So they already kind of get in the practice of giving as students. And I know sometimes I'm sure as parents, it's like, oh, another$5 here,$5 here. But really, what it is is it's an opportunity for your student to learn, okay, the importance, the impact of giving, and how that can be, you know, a real multiplier effect, you know, that they're only giving$5. But if we get every boy in the school to give$5, that's a huge contribution to their fellow classmates to be successful in college one day, which is great.
SPEAKER_02:So let me ask you this question. Because now I'm thinking of as a parent, and I always look at Rockhurst as like a very big, high profile ship with a lot of stuff going on. So if I'm a parent, and I know you ladies have mentioned a couple of different things. We we talked lightly about the auction and we've talked about the Parents Club, but if I'm a parent listening to this, what is the easiest way or for for me to get involved? Whether that's my time, whether that's something to give to, just to like point some point them to something where they can say, Yeah, let me let me figure out what this is about and how I can be involved.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I would say one way is uh I I know sometimes we get inundated with a lot of emails and not just Rockhurst really isn't, you know, that bad about it, I don't think. But we get so many emails that we will shuffle them and we will forget about them. But if I feel like I try to make a point whenever I see that there's a need, and I really think it's great this year. It's like if there's a a specific need coming up soon, it's there and you can you can sign up. But there's also those longer sign up lists and go I don't know, go through it and see if there's an opportunity or a chance for you to volunteer for one of those. I mean, I think that's something easy to do. And then after that, I would say if there's opportunity for giving back through financial means, the sponsorships, those will be coming out here pretty soon for the spectacular any level that is wanted, needed, appreciated. I think that those are our two ways. And then on top of that, um, I know that um my husband Pete has been involved at Rockhurst. He's an alum and has done, is it career day or yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So they do a career speaker series. And yes, Pete's come this coming week. I think Dr. Tim Findler's coming to talk about being a cardiologist. So and that's parents and alumni. You can be either. And that's run through our alumni office, Mayor de Suarez, but we do welcome parents who are non-alums to come in and talk about different career fields because you're right, that's a huge, huge opportunity for boys to hear from people that have been successful and taken very different paths to get where they are. So I think that's always a very helpful thing. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And I do think if your child is involved in a specific sport or extracurricular activity, you know, maybe show interest in that. Whether it's, you know, Martin's doing a phenomenal job of really engaging parents with all those different activities, not just athletics, but also, you know, the other types of clubs. So if your child's involved in something like that, maybe see if there's a way to help or help host something or you know, show interest in what your child is doing specifically. And again, as she said, there's there's a great list under parent volunteers on the website. We'll try to get that more streamlined. But yes, there are, you could just go through and if there's something that sparks your interest, there is a sign-up genius for everything. And you can view it and really quickly sign up. So that it really is an easy way to just go down the list and see one little thing that you could get involved in.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And I asked that question in, you know, in relation to, like I say, the big high profile ship, because I think it's easy for people to look at us and think that this place doesn't run on people giving their time and you know, whether or their talent or their trend, like, oh no, they don't need help, or oh, I actually there's nothing for me to do, or whatever. And it's like, sorry. That's absolutely the opposite of the case. The more help, support, the more we're able to do because of that love, as you alluded to, that these young men are going to receive by someone saying, Hey, actually, I can do that because my son's on this team, or I can do that. So hopefully that helps, you know, move the needle for people's thinking about, oh, yeah. I d I never thought about seeing if coach needed some help with, you know, this or that or whatever the case might be.
SPEAKER_03:So I agree. I agree. And I do think that sometimes it's easy to say, oh, that's taken care of. Yeah. It's not. There's there's always a need for for hours, and there's no job too small or too big. That's I think what is so critical to understand as a volunteer. There is always a need. And I think it's always welcome here. And when you walk through the doors, you're gonna connect with someone just yesterday at the open house. Connected with a parent who, you know, has a scene. It's it's amazing. We come from the same town, and it's would never have met you the connections you make, even for adults. It's it's amazing and it's wonderful. So yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And one thing I would say too is if you were an adult in the the population, whether you're a parent or an alum, you know, reach out to us and and say, Hey, I'd really like to do something. We are benefiting this year from uh Shannon Ortball's, who's a parent of two current students who has been helping our office. She has a background in marketing and she had time to give. And so she said, Hey, let me help you not only organize your parent volunteers, which has been amazing. We've had full uh parent volunteers for every shadow day to welcome our prospective families in, which has been great. And then she helped with open house and night at the rock, getting parents for that. But she's also helping us look at how we are marketing and advertising rockers to the greater Kansas City community in ways we could better do that because of her specific skill set. And honestly, like she came to us, which was so nice and welcome. Because a lot of times I think Steve and I would agree we don't ever want to ask too much of our families because they do give so much. But if you are interested in helping out, whether that's speaking at at our career series or you have, you know, a background in counseling, maybe you could help out in our counseling department, or maybe it's you have a background in one of our athletics, you know, our coaches would love to hear from you. So I think any any way parents want to get involved, alumni want to get involved, we want to see you on campus.
SPEAKER_02:So 100%. And we're gonna move to this last question, and I have a feeling it's going to be a very thoughtful answer. I'm not putting any pressure on you, ladies. But for you and your perspective, with having, you know, you are parents, you have kids that have gone from here, they're here, you're serving and giving your time. You get to see a different view of what goes on here. When you're thinking about the person that might be thinking about sending their son here, what is one just one? I know, I know, I hate it. That's why I was like, ah, maybe I'll give them a few. What's what's one reason, number one reason that parents should send their kids to Rockers?
SPEAKER_03:I can go first. I think so many, so so many, but I would say when they uh they come to Rockers, it's a community for life. It's something that the resources, the role models, the everything they have, this this is something that a support system for life is what I see. I mean, they walk through the doors and I see the alumni events, you see them traveling. So I just feel like that's something that they will, you know, be supported in their careers and everything that they want to do.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:That's great. Love it.
SPEAKER_01:Uh I did think about this question. Not just in the last 30 seconds, but uh I guess I start at the end to to think about the beginning.
SPEAKER_02:That makes no sense, but I know what you mean.
SPEAKER_01:Uh at the end of last year when Joe graduated, his last day of school, he came home and out of nowhere said, I just want to thank you for sending me to Rockhurst. It was the best time. And I still get choked up sometimes thinking about him saying that. And I guess I the one thing I think of the number one reason is that we're always growing. You know, I'm in my fifties. I'm still growing, figuring out what I want to do in some ways. I feel like Rockhurst really helps grow these young men into being men. And they're going to continue to think about those lessons that they learn, those people, like you said, that impacted them while they were here and how they're going to continue to grow throughout life. And I feel like, you know, not just rock Rockers, but their grade schools too set that foundation. Rockhurst continues it in a different way because they're older and you know they're close to becoming graduates and and young men who who will impact the world. So I guess growth is the answer.
SPEAKER_00:I always tell the class that graduated last year that, and they're gonna hang their hat on this forever, but that they were my favorite because they were my first class I got to see through as prospective eighth graders all the way through senior year. And so both of your sons, for example, are are kids that got to see that tremendous amount of growth over the four years and kind of what they chose to really invest themselves in, who they surrounded themselves by, what they gave their own time and talent to, whether that was sports or student activities. You know, Will went on a service trip with me. Joe was very instrumental in a couple of things on campus, bringing back Battle of the Bands, which I was super excited about because that is memories from my youth, but also things like the Human Dignity Club, the Student Diversity Union, just really active on campus and a really great leader. So got to see them grow into great young hocklits that are now college success stories. So that's great. Ladies, we are so thankful that you took time out of your day to come in on this kind of pop-up episode of Rock Talk. They kind of got put right on, got moved up a week. So we appreciate you making the time to come and visit with us. Next episode, we're gonna have two of our alums come in and talk about their lifelong friendship that started actually well before Rockhurst. They were grade school friends that went to Rockhurst. And actually, up until uh two weeks ago, I was at St. Teresa the Little Flower doing service with our boys, and those two guys were volunteering as alums to do service with us. So, still to this day have a lasting relationship. So thank you all for joining us again. This is Rock Talk, and we'll see you next week.